Friday, March 13, 2009

Jon And Jim

Jon Stewart had his feud-mate Jim Cramer on The Daily Show last night. I didn't expect much, but it was considerably worse than I thought it would be.

Stewart ambushed Cramer with old footage and a welter of (weak) arguments, while Cramer was more apologetic than anything else.

Since Cramer (perhaps intimidated on foreign soil) barely offered any explanation for his actions, I won't go into whatever arguments he allegedly made.

Meanwhile, Jon Stewart was amazingly self-righteous, at one point stating "I understand that you want to make finance entertaining, but it's not a (bleeped out) game." You know what else isn't a bleeping game? The news. So what does that make Jon Stewart?

Most of Stewart's arguments were the demagoguery I expect from a politician, not someone who makes jokes at the expense of politicians. (And some wondered if that was the real problem with Cramer--not that he was wrong about Bear Stearns, but that he, and Rick Santelli, turned on Obama, and ranted as his expense.)

Stewart seemed to think everyone saw the problem coming and should have warned us, and that the money people knew they were doing damage to all of us in the long run and just didn't care.

1) At any given time there are many looming disasters. Most of them never become as bad as they could be, and if we spent all our time trying to stamp every one out before it got dangerous, we'd be doing nothing else.

2) We stop lots of potential problems from getting too big. For all we know, there are thousands of catastrophes that could have happened but, due to our foresight, never occurred. The trouble is a) you don't get credit for things that don't happen--though they're just as important as things that do--and b) no matter how many fires you put out, sooner or later one's gonna get by you.

3) By the time a problem is big enough and clear enough that you can see something must be done, it's still quite hard to stop. Perhaps we were right (if a bit late) to take action against the threat of the Saddam Hussein regime in Iraq. But not only will we never know how much better off we are because we went in, but every bad thing that happened because of the war will be blamed on its supporters. Imagine if the Fed changed their outlook a few years ago to help solve the problems we face today, then serious economic dislocations occurred, and the markets dropped 20%. Everyone, including Jon Stewart, I bet, would be screaming bloody murder.

4) It's not much of an argument to claim that money people (as if it were only the money people) were just looking at short-term consequences and ignored the big picture. They did what they thought was best and I doubt they imagined it would cause all this trouble--in fact, I bet they thought they were planning for the long run. It's possible the steps we're taking now to stop our current crisis will be disastrous in the years to come, but the people who propose them aren't saying they don't care, they're saying it's worth taking the chance. Will Stewart condemn them if they're wrong? Heck, let's say you only plan for the long run. You'll likely make just as many mistakes as planning for the short run--maybe more, since no one really knows what the future holds.

8 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stewart beat up on him, but not as much as Cramer beat up on himself. It was really Cramer vs. Cramer.

12:08 AM, March 13, 2009  
Blogger VermontGuy said...

I confess I don't understand. Why would Cramer go on the show and not mount any kind of defense? He had to know that Stewart was going to try and make him look stupid. That's what Stewart does.

Granted, I don't know how many people watched the show - and they're probably not CNBC viewers, anyway - but still, why step into the ring with someone and not put up a good fight?

5:24 AM, March 13, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cramer is another shrieking cable idiot who deserves whatever he gets. I don't understand (actually Ido) why the Today Show keeps presenting him as a creditable commentator on anything I admit I would found it entertaining if they had set him on fire.


However I wish Stewart had stuck to pure mocking- thats what he and Letterman do best. The beauty of comedy is that you can hint at and identify ridiculousness and then let the suits take over and talk it to death.

5:51 AM, March 13, 2009  
Blogger QueensGuy said...

The full version is better than what they showed on tv. Here's part 1 of 3. The rest are linked there.

You know what else isn't a bleeping game? The news. So what does that make Jon Stewart?

You're falling into the same trap as Tucker Carlson. Those who explicitly say that they're not doing real journalism aren't held to the same standard as those who claim they are.

(And some wondered if that was the real problem with Cramer--not that he was wrong about Bear Stearns, but that he, and Rick Santelli, turned on Obama, and ranted as his expense.)

I am willing to take Stewart at his word that the initial shot was fired by TDS because Stewart found Santelli's rant about the "loser" homeowners offensive. CNBC then turned on TDS, and we wound up with this.

Stewart seemed to think everyone saw the problem coming and should have warned us, and that the money people knew they were doing damage to all of us in the long run and just didn't care.

No. Stewart thinks their job as journalists was to not take self-serving claims at face value and instead investigate whether they were true. Not to somehow intuit that the problem was coming, but to do their job and discover it sooner.

6:44 AM, March 13, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Over a series of shows (leading up to this interview with Cramer), Stewart effectively made the point that the financial reporters did more fawning than ferreting. I don't think his principal claim is that people needed to see the future. It was that their jobs should be to question the bigwigs on basics such as capitalization ratios and what are reasonable expectations of profit rather than to ask: "Is it great to be a billionaire?"

Stewart showed clips of Cramer admitting to having manipulated the market for short term gains -- both as a hedge fund manager and as a TV personality -- and his argument was CNBC is in bed with the people they should be investigating.

I think those clips caught Cramer off-guard, and threw off his planned Hugh Grant-style mea culpa.

8:36 PM, March 14, 2009  
Blogger LAGuy said...

First, they're not trying to be adversial with financial experts, they're more interested in knowing what they have to say. And since the experts all say different things, it's not as if only they'd asked more "tough" questions that somehow people would have finally heard the truth. (And tougher questions imply they understand that the experts actually know what's going on, but are refusing to say, so you have to probe deeper.)

They also fawned over Barack Obama and it didn't bother Stewart. When they stopped fawning, then it bothered him.

As for the clips, that was really disturbing. This is Stewart's stock in trade, of course, and you can show clips of anyone who appears regularly on TV to make him look bad. But this was much more dishonest, since they showed clips out of context (without giving Cramer a chance to prepare, of course) and gave a false impression regarding the meaning of his statements.

12:33 AM, March 15, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The meaning seemed pretty clear to me. Do you know of another meaning?

11:00 PM, March 15, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When you are interviewing a CEO whose profits seem out-of-whack with all normal numbers, you should have a question more insightful than: "Isn't it great to be a billionaire?"

10:27 AM, March 16, 2009  

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