Sunday, January 31, 2010

I'm Loving It

In a discussion of the Prop 8 trial in California--a pretty complex case about the constitutionality of a proposition that's against same-sex marriage--William N. Eskridge Jr. and Darren Spedale (it's so complex it took two people to write the article) state:

Cooper's team also argues that overturning Proposition 8 would undermine democracy by nullifying the will of the people. Voters adopted the state constitutional amendment in November 2008 specifically to overturn a decision by the California Supreme Court legalizing gay marriage the previous June. But the U.S. Constitution is supposed to trump current opinion sometimes, as when the Supreme Court struck down state laws barring different-race marriage in Loving v. Virginia in 1967. Most Americans did not agree with that result. Was Loving wrong? This is a legal landmine, an argument that could blow up in the judge's face if he gets near it. Judge Walker will not go there.

Really? Loving was unpopular? The public favored miscegenation laws in the late 60s?

What about this: from Richard Posner's long book review (I recommend the whole thing) in The New Republic about mixed-marriage laws:

By 1967, anti-miscegenation laws were found only in the southern and border states plus Delaware and Oklahoma, and in that year the Supreme Court, in Loving v. Virginia (a suit by a black-white couple—the man being the white, thus raising fewer hackles), invalidated the laws. (Actually, the outcome in Loving had been clearly anticipated by the Supreme Court three years earlier in a case called McLaughlin v. Florida, which somehow failed to attract much attention.)

The Court had been skittish about taking on an issue that was so emotional in the South and was linked by southerners with school desegregation, which the Supreme Court had ordered in Brown v. Board of Education and which white Southerners believed was bound to promote miscegenation. But by 1967 southern resistance to civil rights had been weakened to the point where removing the last stick from the bundle of Jim Crow laws would not create a furor.

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The most interesting legal aspect of the history of miscegenation laws is the support it provides for the proposition that the meaning of the Constitution can change—although the words do not change—because of changes in the environment. In 1868, when the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified, the best interpretation of it was that bans on interracial marriage were constitutionally permissible. Interracial marriage was opposed by the vast majority of people in all parts of the United States. Two-thirds of the forty-eight American states and territories had such laws. Marriage was thought to be a state prerogative, and “freedom to marry” would not have been considered one of the liberties protected against arbitrary state action by the Fourteenth Amendment’s due process clause. And the core of the concept of equal protection of the laws was merely that states could not withhold police protection from a group (namely the blacks in the South) on racial grounds. Only a few radical Republicans believed that blacks were the social equals, as distinct from the political equals, of whites, or that the equal protection clause was intended to make them the social equals of whites. The prevailing view was that blacks should have the rights of citizens, not that they should be protected against all forms of governmental discrimination. And finally and perhaps most importantly, the idea that anti-miscegenation laws did not deny the equal protection of the laws because they punished the white and the black violator the same, though it strikes modern judges as wooden, fitted (just as the “separate but equal” formula of Plessy v. Ferguson did) the formalistic bent of late nineteenth-century American judicial thought and the judges’ concomitant reluctance to base their decisions on social realities. But ninety-nine years after the ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment, it was clear to the Supreme Court Justices and indeed to most judges and lawyers outside the South that the anti-miscegenation laws violated the amendment. I think they were right. The language of the amendment was unchanged. But the language was open-ended. Closure was supplied by the social and political environment, and when that changed, the meaning changed.

6 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fine argument, quite interesting, and the usual suspects, the Souters and Sunsteins and the like will use it to invalidate the very idea of a constitution. Things change! Get somebody smart to read it now! I'm available!

But it's no more interesting than the idea that the adopters of the language in the first place simply didn't want to live with the implications of their high ideals. If they wanted to keep miscegenation laws, they should have added a clause, "except for miscegenation laws. I mean, that's just gross."

I suppose it'd be interesting to hear what Clarence Thomas has to say about this. Maybe he thinks those laws are still valid and it adds to the thrill.

6:13 AM, January 31, 2010  
Blogger LAGuy said...

I think the founding fathers realized the future of America would go in directions they couldn't count on. The key was to have a sturdy system that could do the people's work without giving in to the mob. A tricky balance no matter how it's done.

12:47 PM, January 31, 2010  
Anonymous Denver Guy said...

Decisions like Brown and Loving did not require rewriting or reading new language into the 14th Amendment. I think the drafters of the Constitution and its various amendments expected they would over time be applied to new situations that were not considered at the time of drafting. I still think that sweeping changes in legal underpinnings of society are better accomplished through legislation, but once in a while, a court case may be needed to point up issues where law making is required. Proposition 8 may be one of those situations.

1:55 PM, February 01, 2010  
Anonymous Lawrence King said...

Denver Guy wrote:

... but once in a while, a court case may be needed to point up issues where law making is required. Proposition 8 may be one of those situations.

When you say "a court case", are you referring to the court overturning Prop 8?

In November 2000, Californians approved Proposition 22 (by 61%), which pre-emptively made same-sex marriage illegal. In May 2008, in In re Marriage Cases, the California Supreme Court voted 4-3 to legalize same-sex marriage, overturning Prop 22 and various other laws. In response, Californians in November 2008 approved Proposition 8 (by 52%), which was the same as Prop 22 except that it was a constitutional amendment instead of a statute, thus overturning the court.

Forgetting the underlying issue of rights and the law, this is an ongoing contest between the clear will of the voters and the clear will of the court. (Note that the 61% of the voters who approved the first one is higher than the 57% of the court that overturned it.)

I guess I'm just not sure what advocates of same-sex marriage really want. When offered "civil partnerships" or other things that include all the legal rights of marriage without the name, many of them reply that that's not enough; they want social recognition. Well, in California the opposition to gay marriage dropped from 61% to 52% in just eight years, and the opposition is highest among the elderly. It's clear what will happen in a decade if nothing intervenes. But now the people for same-sex marriage are demanding that the court again overrule the people. What will that achieve? Will it achieve social recognition? No, it will just convince more people that their opinions are being disregarded.

Of course, they might say "it's not about the people; it's about our rights." But when those rights are available in civil unions, those are seen as insufficient. So what is actually the goal?

It sounds as if the goal is to receive a piece of paper from a civil official (whom they will never see again in their life) with the word "marriage" on it, which gives them the rights they already have under civil unions, and infuriates 52% of the people whom they work with and live near. Is that what they want?

9:45 PM, February 02, 2010  
Blogger LAGuy said...

Lawrence writes: I guess I'm just not sure what advocates of same-sex marriage really want. When offered "civil partnerships" or other things that include all the legal rights of marriage without the name, many of them reply that that's not enough...

Of course, they might say "it's not about the people; it's about our rights." But when those rights are available in civil unions, those are seen as insufficient. So what is actually the goal?

It sounds as if the goal is to receive a piece of paper from a civil official (whom they will never see again in their life) with the word "marriage" on it, which gives them the rights they already have under civil unions, and infuriates 52% of the people whom they work with and live near. Is that what they want?

[end of what Lawrence writes. I really need to learn html better so I could put it in italics.]

Yes, that is what they want. Whether going through the courts is a wise strategy or not is a separate issue, but I don't understand why it isn't obvious to everyone that the right to marry is a big deal, and what's being offered in its stead is not the same.

The right to marry is widely understood to be a basic right (the Supreme Court discusses it in Loving). If you don't think it is, please try this thought experiment which I've mentioned before: imagine someone suggests a new law--all citizens are allowed heterosexual marriage, except Jews, Blacks and Irish, who may only enjoy civil unions. How successful do you think your arguments would be against the outrage this law would raise?

Or to put it another way, if the difference between marriage and what's being offered isn't that important, then offer them marriage.

1:17 PM, February 03, 2010  
Anonymous Lawrence King said...

If you don't think it is, please try this thought experiment which I've mentioned before: imagine someone suggests a new law--all citizens are allowed heterosexual marriage, except Jews, Blacks and Irish, who may only enjoy civil unions.

Very powerful. Try another version: Suppose that your law was passed in 1920. Then in 1955, the the Supreme Court overturned it. And in response, every major newspaper and radio network, as well as all the major churches and fraternal organizations, said "Okay, the Jews, Blacks, and Irish will now apparently be receiving government documents declaring them married. But us newspapers / radios / individuals will never call these sham marriages 'marriage' -- we will continue to call them what they are: 'unions'. For all reasonable Americans agree that only white non-Irish gentiles can truly marry!"

Would that satisfy the Blacks, Jews, and Irish?

If not, then doesn't it follow that they were not merely seeking a legal document, but were also seeking a kind of social recognition?

9:41 PM, February 05, 2010  

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