Tuesday, February 07, 2012

Prior To Pryor

An interesting discussion at the A.V. Club about the profoundest piece of comedy. Various writers give their opinions. This is from Phil Nugent:

I don’t know where most people nowadays pick up their first bits of precious information about the birds and the bees, whether it’s from their parents or on the streets or the Internet, but when I was growing up in Mississippi, we didn’t have cable or the Internet or even any streets, and my parents were more clueless than I was. Galloping to the rescue came Richard Pryor, an infinite source of clear-eyed wisdom and sound counsel about the sex wars, for all the meager good it did him in his own life. Everything he said on this subject, whether he was demonstrating a man’s absolute inability to hang onto his dignity when his lover is calmly preparing to leave him, or offering a blow-by-blow illustrative lesson on ministering to an unresponsive clitoris (or in Pryor-speak, a “dead pussy”), will at some point be of use to the eager young pupil. But none of it has broader wide-world implications than his suggestion for what to say when caught in flagrante delicto: “Who are you gonna believe, me or your lyin’ eyes?” The underlying idea, that if you just stick to your guns and are consistent in denying all the available scientific evidence, you might be able to brazen through anything, is the same as Hitler’s theory of the big lie, but it has the advantage of being funny, which makes it less depressing whenever I see it playing out, which happens a lot. The next time you see someone on a TV movie-review show playing a clip from Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close and talking about its sublime artistry, or a commercial for a new comedy showing Rob Schneider making worn-to-the-stump racial slurs to the accompaniment of a screaming laugh track, or Newt Gingrich on a debate stage talking about his record as a Washington outsider occupying the moral high ground—to raucous applause—don’t hang yourself; just shrug and say, “Hey, who are they supposed to believe, him or their lying eyes?” And then guffaw.

This is actually a pretty old line used by a lot of people.  The most famous version, and the first I'm aware of, comes from a scene in Duck Soup (1933) where Harpo, dressed as Groucho, has just left Margaret Dumont's room, while Chico, dressed as Groucho, is still there:

Mrs. Teasdale: Your Excellency, I thought you'd left!
Chicolini: Oh no, I no leave.
Mrs. Teasdale: But I saw you with my own eyes!
Chicolini: Well, who you gonna believe, me or your own eyes?

Apparently growing up in Mississippi makes you miss an awful lot.

5 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well- during my pre-video rental youth, Marx Brothers movies were not that frequently shown. Maybe late night or on PBS or UHF channels. On the other hand, you could buy Richard Pryor at K mart and kids in school repeated his routines so I'm guessing they first heard the "lying eyes" reference from him. And Pryor's delivery did have more of an edgy feel (in keeping with the rest of the routine as described) than Chico's which was just ridiculous in Chico's inimitable style (C: we're taking you to see your sister in our car. Other: Hey, I haven't got a sister. C:That's OK we've haven't got a car)

Also- Nick Lowe did not come up the phrase "cruel to be kind."(though it is a fantastic song). I do remember a rock journalist know-it-all (in Trouser Press?- maybe just Rolling Stone) correct that misconception by telling everyone it was really an Elvis Costello line.

8:26 AM, February 07, 2012  
Blogger LAGuy said...

"Cruel to be kind" is a great song and a great phrase, too. I believe it comes from Hamlet.

9:42 AM, February 07, 2012  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That was a dig at rock journalists in case it wasn't clear. I have my reputation as "anonymous' to uphold after all.

11:11 AM, February 07, 2012  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK moved to look it up, I have the story straight now

The Knack in their much forgotten second album "...but the Little Girls Understand" released a single ("The Hard Way") which contained the "cruel to be kind" lyric and were accused of ripping off Nick Lowe in a RS/TP review.

I was confused with Elvis Costello because he had a line in "Beyond Belief" (from Imperial Bedroom) "Do you have to be so cruel to be callous?" (he was rhyming with 'Alice') which is similar but completely different.

The Knack http://www.metrolyrics.com/hard-way-lyrics-the-knack.html

Shakespeare:

Hamlet:
"... So again good night.
I must be cruel only to be kind.
Thus bad begins and worse remains behind."
Hamlet Act 3, scene 4, 177–179

11:27 AM, February 07, 2012  
Blogger LAGuy said...

I think we got the point of your story. Most people who aren't rock critics are aware that "cruel to be kind" is a phrase in common parlance.

The first time I recall hearing it was in a Monty Python sketch. And no, I'm not accusing Lowe of nicking it.

11:37 AM, February 07, 2012  

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