Friday, January 21, 2011

Cohen Levies Charge

Representative Steve Cohen has gotten in trouble for comparing Republican arguments on health care to Nazi propaganda on the floor of the House.  Part of his speech:

[The Republicans] say it's a government takeover of health care--a big lie just like Goebbels. You say it enough, you repeat the lie, you repeat the lie, you repeate the lie, and eventually, people believe it. Like blood libel. That's the same kind of thing. The Germans said enough about the Jews and the people believed it-- and you had the Holocaust. You tell a lie over and over again.  We heard on this floor: government takeover of health care.

When asked about this rhetoric, he first said there was no apology required, though he was sorry people were offended.  He noted this was only a small part of a seven-minute speech--seeing it in context is necessary.

The next day, he pulled back a little further, apologizing directly, but still pretty much standing his ground:

I regret that anyone in the Jewish community, my Republican colleagues or anyone else was offended by the portrayal of my comments. My comments were not directed toward any group or people but at the false message and, specifically, the method by which it has been delivered.

So Republicans aren't like Nazis, just their message and tactics.

I still can't get over how people can so causally compare others to Nazis.  Even if the Republicans had said something obviously wrong, there's simply no excuse for it.

I guess I gotta go back to my flow chart to help politicians with their rhetoric:

1. Should I compare [the issue at hand] to [something the Nazis did]?
2. No

7 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cohen has a long record of this sort of outrageous rhetoric. He compared the Tea Party to the KKK.

The biggest irony is he's wrong, t his is a government takeover of health care. Obama has stated that goal quite clearly. Guess that makes him a Nazi.

1:16 AM, January 21, 2011  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

While Nazi comparisons are overdone and often outrageous (I like the health care bill but think Cohen hurts any effort with ridiculous rhetoric)- however, the Nazism did occur in an otherwise open society - its an incredibly erecent phenomena of of a horrible ideology that took a lot of the chattering classes by surprise. Yes it represents the epitome of evil in the last last 100 or so years (along with stalinism and communism and other dictators) but to ignore it and banish it from discussion of current eventrs is a greater problem than overwrought rhetoric.

3:24 AM, January 21, 2011  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmm, but trivializing is effectively the same as banishing it. It fades away into cartoonland.

8:54 AM, January 21, 2011  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd be more interested if this blog noted all the times Tea Partiers and Republicans accused Obama and Democrats of being Nazis. Got any big posters with little mustaches anyone?

4:18 PM, January 21, 2011  
Blogger LAGuy said...

I keep waiting for this sort of comment. I call them as I see them. If something is of interest, and I have the time, and an angle, I may write about it. This was on the floor of the Congress. And after a widespread (if hypocritical) call for civility. Worth noting, I felt. (And perhaps not as noted as it should have been.)

I'm not the AP. There are lots of crazed partisans overdoing it on a regular basis. If I posted every time someone said something outrageous, I wouldn't have time for anything else. I've been to Tea Party events and anti-war marches, and it's not hard to pick out nasty signs (and, if you must know, Nazi and Hitler imagery is far more common, not to mention unashamed, at anti-war events).

I also regularly note on this blog that neither side of America's political divide is particularly kinder or more honest or more reasonable. If you don't believe in reading anyone who disagrees with that, then you've wiped out about 90% of blogs, not to mention quite a few editorial pages.

4:40 PM, January 21, 2011  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous was quite clear--he isn't interested in any of that. He just wants to hear bad stuff about people he's decided are bad, and good stuff about people he's decided are good.

9:47 AM, January 23, 2011  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Trivializing depends on the charge and who is receiving it.

Anonymous 4 was very polite in saying Tea Partier and not teabagger or member of the Dick Armey

12:15 PM, January 26, 2011  

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