Monday, August 24, 2020

Punked Out

Lawrence King left an interesting comment to yesterday's tribute to Walter Lure.  I thought I'd put up a post to respond.

I think punk was received differently in the U.K. and the U.S.  It was hugely popular over there right from the start, and the establishment had to react to it. In America, it was easier to dismiss,  It was an underground movement that didn't have much mainstream success until some years later, when it was tamed (and called new wave) and, as you note, more sophisticated musically.

Perhaps this is because England is a smaller country and takes its cultural lead from London, so what was big in the city took over everywhere.  Plus England is more class-based, so the rebellious politics from (allegedly) lower-class performers played better.

Meanwhile, the movement in New York was growing, and small pockets of kids were catching on across the country, but if you looked at the charts you'd barely notice any punk.

Also, punk was different in the UK--the bands were mostly the basic raw sound punk is most well-known for, while the DIY movement in America approached the music from different angles.  You've got the Ramones, of course--the ultimate punk band in my book--who stripped the music to its essence.  But the other big acts at CBGB were Patti Smith, who started out reading poetry to guitar backing, Television, who had lengthy, intricate guitar solos, and Talking Heads, who had a quirky, nervous sound.

It's no surprise that most bands, if they lasted long enough, grew more complex musically.  First, it's hard to keep doing the same thing for years on end when you create your own music.  Second, when you start as elemental as possible, where else will you go? (This trend is common in other types of music--you start out raw and then get more sophisticated.  Look at jazz, for instance.)

When I first heard about punk, the idea sounded stupid. Eventually, though, I listened to it, and it awoke me from my dogmatic slumber.  It reminded me of the excitement at the root of original rock and roll, and now so much of what passed for rock seemed slick and overproduced.

By the way, speaking of predictions, no one got it more correct about Johnny Thunders than the Replacements with "Johnny's Gonna Die."

8 Comments:

Blogger brian said...

Sadly could've been about Bobby. Bobby's gonna die.

5:40 PM, August 24, 2020  
Blogger brian said...

I just wrote the story of how my wife and I met and Bobby played an important role.

5:41 PM, August 24, 2020  
Blogger brian said...

Btw listened to the "Top 10 Best Beach Boys Covers" today. By far the best was Fleetwood Mac doing Farmers Daughter.

5:43 PM, August 24, 2020  
Blogger LAGuy said...

Where can we read the story of how Bob played an important role in meeting your wife?

7:01 PM, August 24, 2020  
Blogger brian said...

Lol my memoirs lol

7:03 PM, August 24, 2020  
Blogger brian said...

Long story short. I had been at a bar a few weeks prior with Bobby. He said, "chicks dig watermelons". My wife and I played at the hospital softball game. At Fraser's Pub after the game, I ordered watermelons for the table. No one drank any. Wanting to get my money's worth, AAGirl drove me home.

7:07 PM, August 24, 2020  
Anonymous Lawrence King said...

Why was punk so huge in Britain? I think your point about London is valid, but not only did punk not take over the USA, it didn't take over New York City. CBGB's entire appeal was that it was alternative, underground, what-have-you. My impression (correct me if I'm wrong) is that in 1978 and 1979, disco in NYC was way larger than all the punk bands put together.

And when a CBGB's band finally became known outside of NYC and Hollywood, it was Blondie with their pop-rock / power-pop album Parallel Lines.

When I was in high school, punk was a significant presence in L.A. (this was the Decline of Western Civilization era). My high school was maybe 80% longhair, but the remaining 20% listened to KROQ, and half of them were into punk. I knew one guy who was brave enough to attend the Dead Kennedys concert at the Whisky, where dozens of people had to be pulled off the floor because they were too beaten to stand. The punks were even using knives; Jello Biafra later offered his view on such antics.

So by L.A. definitions, the Ramones were punk. some of Patti Smith's early output was (even with bits of poetry). But the Talking Heads weren't. Neither was Blondie (except maybe "Detroit 442"). Some Television tracks might have been, but anything with self-indulgent guitar noodling need not apply. Leaving NYC, Devo and the B-52s were "new wave" but not punk. The first couple Police singles were punk ("Fallout" and "Next To You"), but nothing after that.

In Los Angeles, hardcore punk was more aggressive than anything the Pistols ever did: Black Flag, Fear, and the Germs were terrifying. We had surf punks and even wannabe surf punks. Even Ray Manzerek joined the game.

7:24 PM, August 27, 2020  
Anonymous Lawrence King said...

Punk in England was explicitly political: the Pistols were anarchists and the Clash were communists. (Or at least that was their image.)

Maybe Americans were tired of political music after the Vietnam War ... but England never had that war, so political music didn't hit until 1976?

7:26 PM, August 27, 2020  

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