Thursday, May 13, 2010

Don't Go Into The Light

"Across The Sea" was the most mythology-laden episode ever of Lost. It goes back to the roots of the dispute between Jacob and MIB. Because of that, it's excited a lot of comment. Most of it negative, however. While it has champions, the general reaction has been this was the weakest episode this season, maybe ever.

There were two main complaints. First, fans didn't like the way the basic questions were answered. Second, they didn't like how a lot of basic questions weren't answered. I guess a third complaint is with only three episodes left, we spent a whole hour on two characters we hardly know and ignored the characters we've come to care about.

I didn't think the show was that bad, but it wasn't what it might have been. It'll probably look better in retrospect, but for now, we have to take it as it is.

The show starts with a pregnant woman, Claudia, washing ashore, holding onto some wreckage. We've seen this before. Happens to the Island all the time. She's met by another woman who attends to her wounds. This woman (Allison Janney) has no name. The two speak Latin. (All the dialogue is supposed to be in Latin, though they make it English soon so we don't have to read subtitles, and the actors can actually act.)

So, Latin, the Others' language, presumably insisted upon by Jacob. If we didn't know already, we could guess this is long ago on the Island. Still, didn't they start speaking Latin about 2500 years or so ago? That may seem old, but don't forget, by that time, Ancient Egypt had risen and fallen more than once, and its glorious 2000+ year history was pretty much over. After all the fancy Egyptian allusions in the show, you might think they'd go further back.

Anyway, Claudia (a nice Latin name) asks questions and the Woman answers there are no others on the island (a lie), and they both got there the same way, by accident. Claudia asks one question too many and the Woman cuts her off by saying "every question I answer will simply lead to another question." This is a template answer of Lost, where people always avoid giving information. In fact, it's almost a parody of fan complaints about the show. But it's also the most important line in the episode. Here we are, finally getting the origin show, and it's not going to give us the basic answers. We won't be told where the island, its magic, or this caretaker, come from. We can decide for ourselves what they are and what they mean--Lost doesn't want to tell us. The original mysteries of the Island, we can see, go back well beyond this story, but I doubt we'll find out much more about them. The implication is, no matter how far back you go, there'll still be mysteries, so you might as well stop. It's like the story of how the Earth rests on the back of a giant turtle, and when asked what is the turtle on, the response is another turtle, and when asked what that turtle is on, the response is no use keeping this up, it's turtles from now on.

The pregnant woman has her kid, midwived by the Woman. Mom names him Jacob, then promptly goes into labor again. Another boy. Too bad she only had one name ready. We know the second one will grow up to be MIB, but did they really need to keep his name secret? He had to be called something. At this point, the Woman apologizes, then murders the mom with a rock. Okay.

Next scene, the boys are around 13, and hanging out on the beach (which beach--Lostaway Beach, or Shadow of the Statue Beach--speaking of which, wouldn't that Statue, so Egyptian, have been built already?). They play a game with black and white stones. The kid dressed in black knows about the game, and seems to understand things. The kid dressed in white, Jacob, is more timid, and seems to understand less. Jacob goes back to mom and confesses he played the game. I must say, this Jacob seems like a momma's boy.

Mom goes back to the beach and admits she left the game for the boy to find (though she could be lying--she lies all the time). The boy knew Jacob told on him. She says Jacob can't lie, while MIB is "special." Seems like she has plans for him. The kid wants to know what's happening across the sea, but the mom lies and says there is nowhere else. The island is the world.

The kid starts asking questions about his origin, and the Woman lies again and says the boys came from her. Then she says she came from her mother and so on. She also mentions her mother is dead, but the kids won't have to worry about that. Once again, in case we didn't guess, this woman is special--with some of the magical powers we now associate with Jacob. She doesn't seem to die, and she has the power to make sure others don't die, just like Jacob did with Richard.

The kids, hunting boar, run into others. That's a shock. They hide, and then tell mom. The mother doesn't want anyone else on the island. She doesn't think it's time to tell her kids why they're there, but they force the issue, and so she takes them (blindfolded) to a part of the island where there's a glowing cave with water flowing in. On the walk there, she tells how dangerous other people are, using the same words we've heard MIB use--that others come, fight, destroy and corrupt, and it always ends the same. Jacob didn't quite agree with this view, so I guess MIB takes more after his mom. She also notes she's made it so the boys can never hurt each other, which explains why MIB couldn't kill Jacob directly. (Okay, I'll stop noting every moment that points to something later, though that's mostly what this episode is about.)

At the glowing cave, they find their purpose. It's a warm, bright light, but they mustn't go in, and they must make sure no one else ever finds it. The Woman explains that the light is beautiful, and a little bit of it is inside every man. But they always want more. They can't have it, but if they come, they'll try to take it, and the light will go out, and once that happens, the light goes out everywhere.

I'm guessing this is as close as we'll get to an explanation for the magic of the island. But what does it mean? We can only guess. I'd say it's something like the spirit, the life force, that animates the world. But for all I know, aliens could have come down years before and planted it. And maybe there is a scientific explanation, but she's just using the words she was taught with her ancient understanding. Perhaps the Woman is nuts, from a long line of nuts. That's what MIB believes, anyway. Ultimately, whatever it is, it looks like we'll have to take it on faith.

This also seems to explain what everyone is talking about when they say if MIB wins, everything that we know it ends. Once he kills Jacob and all the candidates, and there's no one left to protect the island, the light goes out, and it goes out everywhere. We don't know what happens after that (though could it be the altaworld?). I should add Widmore seems to be one of those men who are coming for some of the light, which is a bit odd, since he also seems to know how dangerous it is for MIB to leave the island.

The Woman further explains she can't protect the light forever, and one of her boys will have to take over when she's gone. Like Jacob, she has to find her replacement. At that time, you'd think the smart money is on Blackie, since he seems to have closer ties to the island--he's "special."

The kids still play the ancient game--only MIB knows the rules. He says to Jacob you start a game, you can make your own rules--and we know how Jacob loves to have rules, he just doesn't like to make them too clear. (The game looks pretty basic, btw. Older than backgammon.)

Then MIB, but not Jacob, has a vision. It's Claudia. She leads him across the island to the village, the place that's been denied him. She explains he's been lied to all his life. There's a wide world out there across the sea. That's where you're from, and, by the way, I'm your mom, and that woman you call mom killed me.

Let's leave aside Blackie's shock for a second and note that, even in the age before Jacob, people are drawn to the island. Jacob seemed to work to get them there, but has the Woman been doing it too, to someday find a replacement? That seems odd, since she abhors people on her island. More likely, with or without Jacob, it's a quality of the Island--the light--that draws people, even if they don't know why.

Also, note that even before MIB pretends to be people, we have visions of the dead here. Perhaps this mysterious force keeps their spirit alive. Is Claudia stuck on the island, like the other Whisperers, or is she just appearing for the sake of her son?

Anyway, MIB is incensed. Her mom lied all these years. He gets Jacob and wants him to run away to the village. These are our people, not that woman saying she's our mother. Jacob won't leave (didn't I tell you he was a momma's boy?) and starts hitting MIB. Mom comes along to break up the ruckus, and MIB swears he'll go across the sea and get home (sounds more Greek than Roman). The Woman says he'll never be able to leave. Is she lying? What would be the harm? He knows too much? He needs to stay as the guardian of the light?

MIB leaves home, Jacob stays. The Woman admits he killed Jacob's mom. But it was necessary--he'd have gone back to all those bad people, and the Woman needed to protect Jacob and stay good. (Who's good or not is a big deal to Jacob's people, and presumably to Jacob--you seem to get crosssed of the list if you're no longer good.) Maybe she's right, but she sure sounds like the batty lady MIB described as his mother. It sure is easy to be tainted in her eyes--and she seems to kill as easily as the Others will some day.

She says she loves him differently from how she loved the kid she didn't even bother to give a name to. Even though Jacob seems to be second best, he'll stay "for a while." Sing out, Louise!

When we come back, we find out that "while" is 30 years. Both Jacob and MIB are grown, though the Woman looks pretty much the same. I guess they grow to adulthood and then stop aging. (Richard became ageless as an adult, but we know these two were protected from death as kids.)

Mom and Jacob are at the loom. (Was Ben right when he said Jacob didn't like modern technology? A real Luddite.) Without permission, Jacob regularly visits his brother at the village. It turns out Blackie agrees with his insane mom--these people are actually bad. But he's willing to manipulate them to get what he wants. (Jacob, looking at them from above, wonders if they're so bad. An interesting twist that certainly plays out in the show.)

MIB has found a way off. He's leaving. He's going to use the magic/light/electromagnetism/water of the island to get off. Apparently, the people may be bad, but some are smart, and they've figured out how to use the island. He offers Jacob a ticket off, but the Boy In White wants to stay close to mommy.

Jacob, of course, spills the beans to mother. The crazy lady goes to meet her evil stepson. He's down a well, ready to install the donkey wheel, which will get him off the island. There it is. No more explanation. Of course, he's "special" so he knows it'll work. By the way, he doesn't quite get it done this episode, but apparently he gets people in later years to finish the wheel job.

MIB says he can't find the glowy cave, even though he's looked for thirty years. Must be hidden. But the basic source of the island is reachable, and he and his smart friends are going to utitlize it. She starts to say he has no idea about what he's doing, but he complains that's because she never told him what the hell was going on. Once again, we see Jacob not telling people how things work, and this turns out to be one of MIB's biggest complaints.

She can't convince him to stay, so she does what crazy ladies have done from time immemorial and smashes his head against the wall. But not before apologizing, as she did with Claudia.

She goes to Jacob and brings him to the glowy cave. It's time for him to become the protector. She explains "life, death, rebirth" are down there. It's the source, the heart, of the island. (Which is tied in to the rest of the world, it would seem.) She asks him to promise to never go in, it'd be worse than dying. She then pulls out the stopper and pours him a drink. This will make him the protector. It's not clear if the drink is special, or if the ceremony does it, or if it's just Jacob's promise that puts him in charge. In any case, Jacob gets all whiny. He doesn't want to take the job--she always liked MIB better, and she's stuck with him. She says (is she lying?) it always had to be him, and he doesn't really have a choice. Jacob drinks. "Now you and I are the same." (Wonder how that sounds in Latin?) Did Jacob just change into the Jacob we've come to know?

Meanwhile, MIB awakes, on the ground. (He can't die. Or maybe he can, but didn't this time.) The well has been filled in. He sees black smoke in the distance. We've seen that before. He runs to it and discovers the village has been burned to the ground and all the people murdered (we've sort of seen that before, too). I wonder how his mom did it. Did she burn them in their sleep, or did it require special powers?

On another part of the Island, Jacob and his mom talk. A storm is coming. He'll gather firewood and says he'll see her back home, but she seems to know this is it.

She goes back and sees MIB's gameboard. Before she can say a word, MIB stabs her through the heart. Isn't that the way you're supposed to kill these people? She sure isn't gonna die of old age. He asks why she wouldn't let him leave. She says it's because she loves him. Hmm. Then she says thank you, and dies. (I'm not sure if Jacob was as happy to die, though he seemed to accept his fate. Maybe he knew he'd be around to talk to Hurley.)

Jacob comes by and goes nuts, giving MIB a good beatdown. There's no explaining--Jacob doesn't care how many she burned to death. He grabs bro Blackie and drags him to the glowy cave. He knows how to get there. He can't kill his bro, but he can do worse.

He knocks MIB out and feeds him to the cave. The light goes out, and, apparently, his brother is transformed, or merges into good old Smokey. Jacob find MIB's lifeless body, and puts it next to his dead mother's, along with a black and white stone, and that's pretty much how they're found a couple thousand years later by Jack, Kate and Locke (as the show, perhaps unnecessarily, reminds us with flashbacks from Season One).

LOST

So that's that. A glimpse further back than we've ever been given. Everything we've seen on this show has proceeded from the feud between Jacob and MIB. It turns out they started as regular guys, just like everyone else on the show, even Richard. And, I might add, though MIB can get pretty nasty, it's far from clear (unless Jacob has information he's not providing) that either one knows who's right.

I mean MIB may have been using the long con, so he could kill Jacob and the last of the candidates, but I don't think there's any reason to doubt anything else he's said. He may think both Jacob and his mom are crazy, manipulating things for millienia to protect an island and its source for no reaon--nothing will happen, or nothing bad, anyway, if he leaves.

We saw the origin of Smokey, though, like much else in the show, we still don't have a good idea of how he/it works. Is Smokey a life force? A death force? He came from something good, but also something dangerous. (Locke seemed to think he was beautiful. Is that correct, or was that part of the long con?) Is Smokey the island's protector, as much as Jacob? Is he a man in smoke form? (I think it's more--or maybe less--than that. When MIB takes over a body, he starts to share some of the memories and feelings of that body, as far as I can tell.)

Can Smokey get off the island anyway? (I don't think so, but who was Christian in the hospital ater the real one died? And did he at least get out to the freighter to talk to Michael?) Is what he's looking for an end to the island's protection of the world?

For that matter, what effect did the creation of Smokey have. I thought I saw the light go out--did the world feel that? Light or not, the sources of power, and the magic, are still there. How does Smokey figure in to the whole island system? Why was Ben (and others, presumably) able to summon him if necessary. Does Smokey operate somewhat independently of MIB?

Where is the glowy cave on the island? Is that where the Temple was built, and helped supply the healing spa?

Well, I guess there are a lot of basic answers we'll have to fill in ourselves. But at least we got to find out who Adam and Eve are (and there was no way to guess). And at least they got some more use out of that cave.

8 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

TV CRITIC ALAN SEPINWALL: You've said many times that when people find out who Adam and Eve are, we'll all realize just how long you've been planning the mythology. Well, I went back and watched the "House of the Rising Sun" scene, and Jack says that the clothing looks like it's 50 years old. Is he just not very good at calculating the rate of decay on fabric?

CUSE: Jack is not really an expert in carbon dating.

LINDELOF: He's not really a forensic anthropologist. We need to bring in Bones.

CUSE: Or Charlotte. She's an anthropolgist.

LINDELOF: The other theory that I would like to throw out there is that Jacob and his mother were just expert craftsmen. They made those clothes on that loom so well, it would appear that they were only 50 years old in decomposition, when in fact it's several thousand.

CUSE: Or perhaps the fabric is magic. A lot of theories there, Alan

12:10 AM, May 13, 2010  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Didn't we see the mother mixing up poison? Maybe she poisoned the village, threw it in their well.

12:15 AM, May 13, 2010  
Anonymous Lawrence King said...

Where is the glowy cave on the island? Is that where the Temple was built, and helped supply the healing spa?

I assumed that it was very close to the well with the donkey wheel. There are many wells -- including the one that Desmond is in, and perhaps some near the Swan -- but the only place we ever saw the glowing light is when the donkey wheel was turned.

[MIB is ] down a well, ready to install the donkey wheel, which will get him off the island. There it is. No more explanation. Of course, he's "special" so he knows it'll work. By the way, he doesn't quite get it done this episode, but apparently he gets people in later years to finish the wheel job.

If the Mother actually filled in the entire pit with rocks, digging it back out again would be huge work. But if she just pushed in enough dirt to fill the well, the underground cavern would still be intact.

If we assume that the show has been reliable with regard to chronology, I think the following sequence must occur:

1. Jacob's brother dies, but also becomes the smoke monster. Just as it will be with Locke two thousand years later, there are now two copies of the brother's body. One was laid to rest ("Adam") by Jacob; the other walks around and can freely switch between the smoke monster, dead people, and the MIB's body. (I'm not sure if the last of these is tangible.)

2. Sometime during the two millenia between this episode and the early twentieth century, the MIB gets someone to finish construction of the wheel. (There are enough Others in these two millennia to build the Tawaret statue, so digging a pit is no big deal. If the MIB is corporeal, he might even do the digging himself.) Presumably the wheel is used to move the island, maybe even more than once. As the MIB intended, whoever turns the wheel leaves the island. But to his dismay, he can't use it himself.

3. The wheel is probably still being used even after Richard arrives. (At least, that's the simplest way to explain how Ben knew what the wheel does. Although many groups of "Others" have lived on the island, the current batch of Others begins with Richard. Although I suppose they might have found writings from previous Others groups -- in Latin? In that case, maybe the wheel isn't used after Richard arrives.)

4. At some point, the cave above the wheel is again plugged with dirt.

5. In 1977, Pierre Chang is shown a sonar image of the wheel. The Incident happens shortly thereafter. After things calm down and the Swan station is operational, Dharma excavates the wheel and creates a secret entrance to the chamber under the Orchid.

6. (My favorite part.) The Dharma folks, being inquisitive and yet timid, decide that instead of letting one of them turn the wheel, they will train polar bears to turn the wheel! Polar bears are strong, and don't mind cold (the donkey wheel cavern is the only place on the island with a cold climate). They do this at least once (since Charlotte found a Dharma bear skeleton in Tunisia). Presumably the Dharma folks have to work pretty hard to figure out where the Island is after the move.

7. After the Others exterminate Dharma in the Purge, the wheel is not used again (until the end of Season Four). We can be sure of this, because Ben had to break through a Dharma barrier to get to the wheel, and also because the Dharma food drops couldn't have found the island if the wheel had been turned since they left.

The amazing thing about Lost is that none of this is spelled out in the show. It's like a Faulkner novel that has to be carefully studied to be understood.

6:36 PM, May 15, 2010  
Blogger LAGuy said...

MIB told the Woman that he can't find the glowy cave, but that there are emanations underneath the island that can be harnassed so I suppose his well can be anywhere.

The Temple had the pool where life-giving water was available. It's also near the home of Smokey (for whatever reason). But it's far from the Orchid. There are a lot of places it can be, I suppose, considering the Island.

I'm not sure if the statue wasn't already on the island when Claudia washed ashore. Her people, and the village, were on the other side of the island, where the boys weren't supposed to be. Perhaps that's where other people often set up. You'd figure the statue, being so heavily Egyptian, would have been created before the Latin era. Perhaps it was from a long ago battle between whoever was the caretaker at the time and the ancient Egyptians (who I've read weren't the greatest sailors, by the way)who made it to the Island. I guess the caretaker took care of the Egyptians, but didn't need to burn down their statue. (Another possibility is it was some magical Egyptians who set up the island.) Then, some time in the following 2000 years after the Woman's death, Jacob, who obviously didn't stick around in the cave, moved to the shadow of the Statue, while MIB at some date moved to underneath the outer wall of the Temple--assuming he had a choice. There could be all sorts of adventures (we know there were some adventures) where the two, along with the many others brought to the island, maneuvered for whatever advantage they could have. It's unclear how much Jacob and MIB messed with these people, though we know how things always turned out. I guess Jacob was briging in some looking for a replacement, while the MIB was corrupting and killing them, and hoping some day to "get off the island."

By the way, I don't think Dharma brought polar bears just to turn the wheel. I think they brought polar bears for their silly experiments which Chang laughed at, and then when they realized they needed something powerful and big and didn't want to experiment yet on humans, they figured why not. When it turned out the donkey whell chamber was very cold, so much the better.

Perhaps Jacob told them not to use the wheel. It's hard to say how much smarter Jacob has gotten in the 2000 years since "Across The Sea," where he's naive and petulant. We see the beginnings of certain aspects of Jacob, but not the calm control, or the far sightedness, or the power to get off the island. I don't know how much of this was transferred to him when he became the caretaker, or how much he had to learn in dealing with his brother. He does change tactics, since it seems only with Richard does he finally decide to work indirectly.

A cult certainly formed around Jacob with the modern others. I have no idea what Jacob thought of it. I wonder if he told everyone not to turn the wheel (or only as a last resort) since he realized all the trouble it could cause. Ultimately, it's MIB who gets them to turn the wheel. (Isn't it?) It's part of his long-range plan, even though it also protects the island from Widmore. Is Widmore working on the side of Jacob? He does seem to be against MIB.

7:24 PM, May 15, 2010  
Anonymous Lawrence King said...

Ultimately, it's MIB who gets them to turn the wheel. (Isn't it?)

Interesting... I hadn't thought of that. Although the first apparition to Locke in the cabin ("Help me") is hard to pin down as Jacob or MIB, the third apparition when Christian tells Locke to move the island (with Claire looking on) is virtually certain to have been the MIB. This sends Ben to Tunisia and from 2004 to 2007. Did MIBChristian expect Ben to turn the wheel instead of Locke, and did this mess up his plans?

Later, ghost-Christian (this time certainly MIB) has Locke turn the wheel again. He says that the time flashes are caused by the wheel having been tweaked; I suppose this is true, since neither MIB or Jacob seems capable of moving the island through time themselves. But this also serves his purposes by getting Locke off the island.

Locke also travels in time from whatever year it is when he turns the wheel (probably long in the past, because his friends on the surface can see the Statue) to 2007. Convenient. For this to actually be part of the MIB's plan, we would have to suppose that the MIB actually knows what year Locke will end up time-travelling to -- if Locke ends up in Tunisia in the 7th century, all is lost. That seems odd. On the other hand, the time flashes didn't affect Richard and the Others (including Cindy -- why is she immune?) and yet Christian is able to find Locke in the distant past. I don't expect an explanation....

Is Widmore working on the side of Jacob? He does seem to be against MIB.

I feel fairly confident that Widmore's focus is the war between the original world and the Altaworld. Widmore wants to annihilate the Altaworld, and Desmond will help him do it. Since the MIB hates Desmond, I suspect that Widmore is indirectly on Jacob's side... but maybe just as the enemy of his enemy?

Two episodes ago, AltaDesmond hit AltaLocke with his car. I still have no idea why, but whatever his plan was, it seems to have been to no avail since Locke is all better now. And no Altaworld story this week. Weird.

9:17 PM, May 15, 2010  
Anonymous Lawrence King said...

I predict that the following mysteries will NOT be addressed again in the show:

* The origin of the magic. We now know Jacob and the MIB's origin, but they just inherited the magic. How did Mother get her powers, and her knowledge of the Light, and the magic wine, and her aversion to other people? Where did the Light come from? Where did the evil smoke come from? I don't expect to ever know.

* Why did the Swan training tape insist that the computer not be used for communication? When Michael used it to chat, was that really Walt on the other end (and if so, how did Walt get a computer terminal)? If it was the Others, how did they know Michael was the one at the terminal? They couldn't have observed him from the Pearl because it was covered by the Nigerian plane at the time.

* What happened to Dharma on the mainland after the Purge? They continued to drop food shipments but made no attempt to return to the island, and do not seem to have been in contact with Widmore or Ben or anyone else.... very odd.

* Why caused Cindy and the kids to become so devoted to the Others and/or Jacob? We have thought of various theories -- something in the Temple brainwashed them, or Jacob convinced them that he was the messiah and they trusted him and his messenger Ben, but neither of these theories seems to fit very well with season six.

* What happened to Christian's body in the altaworld? Is he special?

9:29 PM, May 15, 2010  
Blogger LAGuy said...

Oh dear. I just wrote a response that answered about everything you asked. It was so long, the comments section didn't accept it. I should have saved it but now it's gone.

So I'll give much shorter answers this time around. Sorry if they seem conclusory.

The whole show is a long con by MIB. He didn't want Ben to spin the wheel, but, as always, was able to improvise when he did. He may have gotten lucky, but more likely, being the "special" one who understands the wheel, knew that Locke would end up in the right place. He did say "say hello to my son."

Maybe most of the Others (but not Juliet) go through some sort of treatment that attaches them to the island so they don't go bouncing around when the wheel spins.

Widmore's plan is still unclear, though I'd think he's one of those guys trying to steal the light that Mother warned about. He's doing okay in the altaworld, does he really need to obliterate it. It still seems more the shallow world that happens after MIB has his way and destroys everything. The question is what side is Eloise on?

Desmond probably wanted Locke to see the light. Or perhaps, knowing so much, he just wants everyone to be together for the final push to deal with altaworld. (Or maybe he's just hurting MIB in some way.)

They might not answer the origin of the magic question, but I hope they'll explicate how it works a bit further. The only thing we can be sure they'll answer is what's the deal with altaworld.

The training tape was an example, and there are many (I planned to write about this) where Lost, in trying to make a good episode, went strongly in one direction even if it hardly mattered in the overall scheme of things. Chang's warning (why bother to cut it out?) isn't really that big a deal. Probably put there because Radzinksy insisted no one ruin his beautiful Swan station by playing minesweeper and letting the island blow up. So, ironically, Mike got in big trouble for ignoring the warning, but not for the reasons Chang worried about. (And it probably was Walt--or Micah from Heroes.)

After the purge Dharma probably collapsedin reciminations and lawsuits. They'd outsourced the drops and paid years in advance, and just let it drop. Or perhaps there's a huge storage facility hidden, like so many other places, on the island, that automatically sends out the food on a regular basis, caring no more about the results than the pneumatic tube dump. (It's getting late, but perhaps DI will make a final appearance on the show.)

DI doesn't know from Ben or Widmore. Ben is presumed dead (?) and Widmore has kept his connections secret.

Juliet is the best case we have of an other being recruited, and then forced to stay through manipulation. (Jacob must have been involved--who else cured her sister?) Jacob can drive a hard bargain, as he did with Dogen. He also does seem to be able to get people to believe in him as a world savior (which he might be, even if he never completely explains things). In addition, the Others are pretty effective, having as much money as they need, access on and off the island, and the ability to run over people with buses and run butcher shops. Also, I still think the spa treatment and brainwashing sessions play a role

1:43 AM, May 16, 2010  
Anonymous Lawrence King said...

I just wrote a response that answered about everything you asked. It was so long, the comments section didn't accept it. I should have saved it but now it's gone.

I hate this. I now try to remember, after typing a long post, to put the cursor in the post box and press CTRL+A and then CTRL+C. That copies the whole post to the clipboard and I can paste it into Notepad or into another browser window if something goes wrong.

Jacob must have been involved--who else cured her sister?

Interesting. I hadn't followed this point through to its logical conclusion. Ben promised Juliet that her sister would be cured, and clearly he had confidence that this promise would be kept. This means that even though he was faking all of his messages from Jacob, he always had faith that Jacob did exist, that Jacob knew what he was doing, and that Jacob could be counted on to perform specific miracles under certain circumstances.

12:01 AM, May 17, 2010  

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