Friday, August 18, 2017

Do You Hear What I Hear?

I don't even know why I'm writing this, because at this point, it doesn't seem like people are listening, and will misunderstand whoever doesn't follow the official line.  But it's weird how some people who were first angry at President Trump for not condemning white supremacists with sufficient vigor are now claiming he actually supports them.

I could give many examples, because they keep popping up even in places where there's no reason to discuss politics.  For instance, in this discussion of the film Detroit at Deadline Hollywood:

It is too bad the film hasn't succeeded enough to become part of the conversation on race in this country, particularly after the events in Charlottesville, and President Trump's shocking support for white supremacists.

Is this conventional wisdom already?  The controversial claims he made were that those opposing the marchers started some of the violence, and that some of the marchers weren't white supremacists, but were there because they believed the statue of Robert E. Lee shouldn't be torn down (which Trump considered a defensible position, though he claimed it was a local decision when asked if he agreed).

But whenever he mentioned white supremacists or neo-Nazis, he explicitly condemned them.  Here's an example of the (intentional?) miscomprehension in real time.

Trump: You're changing history. You're changing culture and you had people, and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists because they should be condemned, totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, OK? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people, but you also had troublemakers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats. You got a lot of bad people in the other group, too.

Reporter: Who was treated unfairly? Sir, I'm sorry I don't understand what you were saying. You were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly? I just don't understand what you were saying.
 
Trump: No. No. There were people in that rally — and I looked the night before. If you look, there were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. I'm sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day it looked like they had some rough, bad people: neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them. But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest — and very legally protest, because you know- I don't know if you know, they had a permit. The other group didn't have a permit. So, I only tell you this. There are two sides to a story. I thought what took place was a horrible moment for our country, a horrible moment. But there are two sides to the country. Does anybody have a final- does anybody- you have an infrastructure question.

4 Comments:

Blogger ColumbusGuy said...

Geez, LAGuy, you really don't get the fascism stuff, do you? Get on board and steamroller the target, or you become the enemy.

The more they attack him, the more I'm admiring the guy. Beating Hitler is pretty easy. Beating the as yet unknown Hitler is a bit more difficult.

12:28 PM, August 18, 2017  
Blogger New England Guy said...

David Duke and some of the other ones sure thought they had been supported

12:42 PM, August 18, 2017  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

True, just as all sorts of violent radicals and cop killers on the left believe their party is the Dems. So what?

Okay, there is a difference. The GOP is expected to condemn the alt-right (and when they do the press says "you didn't do it loud enough"), while the Dems embrace the violent, anti-U.S. alt-left and no one makes a peep.

2:51 PM, August 18, 2017  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, New England guy has a good point. It's important to lie all the time. To lie about who's at fault, and to lie about what Trump said. Because what matters is not people knowing the truth, but that neo-Nazis should never get the mistaken impression that they've got more support than they actually have.

3:17 PM, August 18, 2017  

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